Comparing '67-thru-'75 Raiders to '05-thru-'13 Patriots

Comparing '67-thru-'75 Raiders to '05-thru-'13 Patriots

Postby 74_75_78_79_ » Thu Oct 24, 2019 6:57 pm

Two remarkable near-decade-long (9-year stretches each, to be exact) non-championship eras quite comparable to each other. It doesn't look like there's another such period of that give-or-take length without a title that's up to par with these two. You can think about the Colts of the entire '60s (between '59 and SBV) or the Browns from '56-thru-'63/'65-thru-'73; but without actually looking up each and every season, I already can safely assume it's not up with Oak & NE.

This is a year-by-year comparison (post-season record in parenthesis) between the Raiders & Pats in each of the nine-year stretches offered above...

'67 Raiders 13-1 (1-1, lost SB), '05 Patriots 10-6 (1-1, lost div rd)
'68 Raiders 12-2 (0-1, lost LCG), '06 Patriots 12-4 (1-1, lost CCG)
'69 Raiders 12-1-1 (1-1, lost LCG), '07 Patriots 16-0 (2-1, lost SB)
'70 Raiders 8-4-2 (1-1, lost CCG), '08 Patriots 11-5 (no playoff berth)
'71 Raiders 8-4-2 (no playoff berth), '09 Patriots 10-6 (0-1, lost 1st rd)
'72 Raiders 10-3-1 (0-1, lost div rd), '10 Patriots 14-2 (0-1, lost div rd)
'73 Raiders 9-4-1 (1-1, lost CCG), '11 Patriots 13-3 (2-1, lost SB)
'74 Raiders 12-2 (1-1, lost CCG), '12 Patriots 12-4 (1-1, lost CCG)
'75 Raiders 11-3 (1-1, lost CCG), '13 Patriots 12-4 (1-1, lost CCG)

Raiders: 95-24-7 reg season, 6-8 post-season, 101-32-3 total
Patriots: 110-34 reg season, 8-8 post-season, 118-42 total

Thoughts?
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Re: Comparing '67-thru-'75 Raiders to '05-thru-'13 Patriots

Postby lastcat3 » Sat Oct 26, 2019 11:33 pm

Lol, this thread is only further demonstrating how unbelievable the Patriots dynasty has been when we are comparing the time period where they didn't win any championships to the Madden Raiders.
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Re: Comparing '67-thru-'75 Raiders to '05-thru-'13 Patriots

Postby vikingsfan1963 » Sun Oct 27, 2019 8:02 am

The '69-'77 Vikings come close. That 7-7 season is what puts them below these two teams. Five losses that season by a combined 13 points. They played the two Super Bowl teams that season losing to the Redskins by 3 in the opener and two weeks later by 2 vs. the Dolphins
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Re: Comparing '67-thru-'75 Raiders to '05-thru-'13 Patriots

Postby BD Sullivan » Sun Oct 27, 2019 9:39 am

vikingsfan1963 wrote:The '69-'77 Vikings come close. That 7-7 season is what puts them below these two teams. Five losses that season by a combined 13 points. They played the two Super Bowl teams that season losing to the Redskins by 3 in the opener and two weeks later by 2 vs. the Dolphins


Four of those 1972 losses came in the final two minutes:

*Miami scored the winning touchdown with 1:28 left.
*St. Louis scored the winning touchdown with 1:38 left and Fred Cox's 26-yard FG attempt struck the right crossbar at the gun.
*Against Chicago on MNF, the Vikings' winning score with 27 seconds left was nullified by a penalty and then Cox managed to miss a 27-yard FG that would have gotten them a tie.
*49ers score the winning touchdown with 25 seconds left and Cox missed a 43-yard FG attempt at the gun, which would have managed a tie.
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Re: Comparing '67-thru-'75 Raiders to '05-thru-'13 Patriots

Postby 74_75_78_79_ » Sun Oct 27, 2019 11:17 am

I definitely should have at least mentioned the Vikings in the original post. ’69-thru-’77 a thicker body-of-work than those Browns and Colts examples I offered. Four Super Bowls! How can I not? ’67-thru-’80 Rams also a better example than Browns or Colts; and quite a lengthy run to boot!

Dolphins from ’74-thru-’03 perhaps not as compact (mostly mere ‘good, not-great’ teams), but a non-title run worth mentioning. 17 out of 30 in that stretch making the playoffs; but 6 of those 13 non-qualifiers having a winning record, and five of them finishing 8-8! Which brings us to just TWO losing seasons (’76 & ’88) in three decades! Yes, worth a mention!

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'69 - 12-2 (1-1, lost SB)
'70 - 12-2 (0-1, div rd loss)
'71 - 11-3 (0-1, div rd loss)
'72 - 7-7
'73 - 12-2 (2-1, lost SB)
'74 - 10-4 (2-1, lost SB)
'75 - 12-2 (0-1, div rd loss)
'76 - 11-2-1 (2-1, lost SB)
'77 - 9-5 (1-1, lost CCG)

96-29-1 reg season, 8-8 post-season, 104-37-1 total. Hmm? Yes, not only should I have mentioned Vikings in the OP, and not only should I have included them in the header with Oak & NE, but that very body-of-work after giving it a better look and those very four SBs should place them over both! And, yes, Rams did have that 3-year playoff-drought '70-thru-'72 (though they did finish 9-4-1 & 8-5-1 in '70 & '71 respectively); but maybe I should have included them in the header as well.
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Re: Comparing '67-thru-'75 Raiders to '05-thru-'13 Patriots

Postby BD Sullivan » Sun Oct 27, 2019 5:27 pm

That 1972 Vikings season was a major aberration for the 1969-76 team defenses. In those other seven years, they allowed an average of 162 points per game. In '72, they allowed 252.

From 1969-71, they gave up the fewest points in the league. In the other four years, they were either second or third. In 72, they were 11th.
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