2021 Hall of Very Good Finalists

Re: 2021 Hall of Very Good Finalists

Postby Brian wolf » Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:08 am

The Scnellbacher choice is so intriguing. Though TJ Troup brought up his abilities as a ballhawking safety for the Yanks and Giants, he wasnt even evaluated for the the best ever safeties article done by John Turney at Pro Jootball Journal due to a short career.

I personally dont believe players should be voted into a HOVG/HOF with only 3-5 year careers unless it was the beginning of organized pro football from say, 1915-1935 but at the same time, isnt that what the Hall Of Very Good is all about ?
Allowing for players that wont make the HOF due to injuries, short careers, early retirement, military service, etc ?

Of course, if every player were evaluated on a short career or 4-5 great seasons, there would over 500 players in these voting discussions, which arent fair to players with longer careers. The way Troup described Schnellbachers abilities, was he a trailblazer or influenced defensive strategy at the free safety position ? He had to have had an impact on fellow Hall Of Fame players/coaches Emlen Tennell and Tom Landry ... If he possibly could have been an innovator in defensive strategy and tactics, as well as his 35 interceptions counting postseason, Schnellbacker being elected to the HOVG, would be one of the few exceptions to the rule for me but it will be up to other voters ...
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Re: 2021 Hall of Very Good Finalists

Postby Brian wolf » Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:13 am

Sorry, Emlen Tunnell, Schnellbacher, spelling mistakes.
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Re: 2021 Hall of Very Good Finalists

Postby TanksAndSpartans » Thu Jun 17, 2021 9:43 am

Good point - short career relative to his contemporaries, but that can be compensated for, but requires more subjective analysis.
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Re: 2021 Hall of Very Good Finalists

Postby sluggermatt15 » Thu Jun 17, 2021 12:35 pm

Brian wolf wrote:Sorry, Emlen Tunnell, Schnellbacher, spelling mistakes.

The times are different. The game was much more physical from the inception of pro football, beyond the war years. Don't forget that until 1950, there were no mass substitutions. Players played all three phases, the entire game. Take that into account and 5 year career could be compared to 10 or 15 years.
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Re: 2021 Hall of Very Good Finalists

Postby Brian wolf » Mon Jun 21, 2021 10:30 pm

Good points but it doesnt appear Schnellbacher did much as a receiver, which is hard to believe with his height and wingspan. You would think Conerly would have wanted him more on offense, though the Giant defense is more fan popular ...
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Re: 2021 Hall of Very Good Finalists

Postby Brian wolf » Tue Jun 22, 2021 12:12 am

Speaking of Giants, I am surprised nobody nominated John Cannady at LB ...

Was he the first true, MLB ?
In an article for the talkoffamenetwork, Coach TJ Troup thought he was worthy of the HOF ...
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